Episode 6, Loose Ends
CAUTION: SPOILERS!!!!!!!
Writing Credits
Marja-Lewis Ryan | … | (developed by) |
Ilene Chaiken | … | (created by) and |
Kathy Greenberg | … | (created by) & |
Michele Abbott | … | (created by) |
Nancy C. Mejia | … | (written by) (as Nancy C. Mejía) |
Francesca Butler | … | (executive story editor) |
Thomas Page McBee | … | (story editor) |
Allie Romano | … | (staff writer) |
Cast (in credits order) complete, awaiting verification
Jennifer Beals | … | Bette Porter | |
Katherine Moennig | … | Shane McCutcheon | |
Leisha Hailey | … | Alice Pieszecki | |
Arienne Mandi | … | Dani Nunez | |
Sepideh Moafi | … | Gigi | |
Leo Sheng | … | Micah Lee | |
Jacqueline Toboni | … | Sarah Finley | |
Rosanny Zayas | … | Sophie Suarez | |
Stephanie Allynne | … | Natalie ‘Nat’ Bailey | |
Jamie Clayton | … | Tess Van De Berg | |
Brian Michael Smith | … | Pierce Williams | |
Lex Scott Davis | … | Quiara Thompson | |
Laurel Holloman | … | Tina Kennard | |
Jordan Hull | … | Angelica Porter-Kennard | |
Sophie Giannamore | … | Jordi | |
Julian Edwards | … | Eli | |
Stella Edwards | … | Olive | |
Salome Azizi | … | Darcie Lewis (as Salomé Azizi) | |
Adrian Snow | … | Toni | |
Courtney Friel | … | Reporter #1 | |
Danielle Nottingham | … | Reporter #2 | |
Kirk Hawkins | … | Reporter #3 |
HUGE THANKS to @BAT2012 for this awesome summary!
Loose Ends aired 1/12/2020
Episode 6
Bette’s House
Episode opens with reporters and news crews camped outside Bette’s house the morning after she allegedly assaulted Tyler Adams (Felicity’s husband) by pushing him down the stairs at the theatre.
Dani and Pierce are inside the house on the phone in crisis mode trying to calm the situation and get Bette’s side of the story out there which is that Tyler is the one that assaulted Angie by pushing her down and Bette was simply protecting her daughter.
Alice and Shane arrive at the house dodging reporter’s questions of Alice’s culpability in Bette’s indiscretions. She’d continued seeing Felicity in secret after going on Alice’s talk show and publicly stating it was over. The fact that Bette broke off the affair with Felicity the day before didn’t hold any weight in absolving her. Not only had she lied to her constituents, she also kept the truth from Alice who is understandably even more pissed off when she finds out that Shane knew.
Alice was completely blind-sided by her ‘friends’ and wants no part of trying to fix things. Bette’s feeble apology falls on deaf ears as Alice storms out of the house. She’d put herself on the line to defend a friend that she trusted, and now she had to deal with the fall-out.
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Always the loyal friend Shane sticks around and tells Bette that Alice will come around. She just needed time to cool off. Shane is being super supportive and just wants to know what Bette needs, and how she can help. She asks about Angie and Bette tells her that she spent the night at Jordi’s. The events of the previous night had shaken them both. In the meantime, Bette gets an alert on her phone reminding her that Angie has an appointment at the DMV to take her driving test.
Shane reminds Bette that she can’t take Angie because of all the reporters that would be following her around, then suggests that Shane and Quiara can take her. Bette is grateful for her loyal and ever supportive friend. But her emotions are raw, and she breaks down and cries in Shane’s arms then goes into panic mode and decides the only thing she can do is drop out of the race.
Shane being Shane totally supports her, and says she can drop out whenever she wants, but Dani has other ideas. She intercepts Bette’s rush to the front door to face the reporters telling her not to quit and to just give them a few more minutes to fix things. Dani is forceful telling Bette that she can’t go outside, but Bette is even more forceful saying ‘you cannot tell me what to fucking do” and almost tears the door off its hinges.
On the other side of the door she’s stunned to find not reporters on her doorstep, but none other than her ex-wife Tina Kennard. Without any warning Angie had called her other mother to come help them get through this crisis.
Shane’s Bar – Dana’s
Tess and Finley wake up from their alcoholic stupor, half naked and tangled up on the couch at the bar. Finley is parched and Tess is mortified that she blew her sobriety. She is pulling on her skimpy outfit and mumbles that she needs to call her sponsor and go to a meeting. Finley, ever so clueless fixes them both mimosas and proceeds to drink it, when Shane walks in.
Although she has grounds to fire Tess, Shane shows compassion when Tess admits to falling off the wagon. Shane simply tells Tess to clean up the place and walks out. Finley doesn’t comprehend the seriousness of the situation until it dawns on her that Tess is a recovering alcoholic. She tries to apologize but Tess doesn’t allow her to take any blame. Tess is taking responsibility for her own actions, but Finley feels bad for her part in it.
Bette’s House
Bette and Tina are in what might be Bette’s study sitting at a conference room table. Tina is finishing up a phone call giving instructions as she apparently dropped everything to come to Los Angeles. We don’t know where she lives but she is still in the movie business.
Tina spots the program from Jordi’s play on the table and asks Bette how the play was. Bette says Jordi did great in the play but admits she doesn’t know how she feels about her relationship with Angie. She says Jordi makes her nervous, but Tina brushes it off saying anyone that likes their daughter would make them nervous.
Bette contemplates that then wonders if they’ve had sex yet. Tina apparently is up to date on Angie’s crush and tells Bette that they haven’t even kissed which brings Bette some relief. In a self-deprecating tone Bette says at least she’d done something right, but Tina doesn’t allow her to wallow. She puts her hand on Bette’s arm and they gaze into each other’s eyes; you can see the connection that they still share. Bette seems to want to linger in the moment, but Tina gets them back to the issue at hand by asking Bette to explain what happened the night before.
In an emotional retelling Bette explains how she could hear Tyler calling her name before she saw him. He was screaming Bette’s name. She tried to get Angie and Jordi to safety by handing Angie the car keys and telling them to go to the car, but before they could move Tyler charges up the stairs coming for Bette. Angie stepped in the way and he pushed her to the ground.
Tina is visibly upset too as she hears of the violent actions of a drunken jilted husband. In an act of self-defense Bette admits to pushing Tyler and that’s when he fell backwards down the stairs. She pauses; she doesn’t say it, but you can surmise that she thought she might have killed him.
After Bette finishes Tina asks if Tyler is pressing charges and Bette responds that she doesn’t know what’s going to happen. Her laugh is bordering on hysteria quickly sobers when Tina’s phone buzzes. Tina appears to be exasperated at the interruption, but she takes the call. As Bette hears some of the conversation as Tina walks out the room her facial expression is of incredulity. She’s on the verge of tears as she listens to her ex-wife likely talking to her current lover; she’s scared and really has no idea what is going to happen.
Sophie’s Apartment
Sophie as usual is pissed at Dani and she’s taking out her frustration on lunch meat while making sandwiches for herself and Finley. She’s still whining that Dani won’t talk to her, shuts her out, processes everything by herself and is always asking for space. Finley appears to be using humor to lighten the mood. After lunch they go to the pool. Sophie is on a lounger and Finley is swimming topless. Finley tells Sophie about her night, and how screwed up everything is. She misses Rebecca and wonders if she’s too broken to have healthy relationships. Sophie assures her that she isn’t damaged. They decide that instead of wallowing in their misery they would have a night out of drinking and dancing.
Bette’s House
Dani and Pierce are still trying to manage the fallout. Dani is optimistic that she can fix everything, but Pierce is doubtful. Donors are losing trust and as campaign promoter he can’t convince them otherwise because he no longer trusts Bette. He confronts Dani about when she found out about Bette still sleeping with Felicity. Like Alice Pierce was also kept in the dark and had only found out that morning. He is incensed at being lied to, and especially with Dani’s response that he should be used to it since he’s in politics.
Dani further goes on to say that she is sorry that Bette disappointed Pierce not realizing the magnitude of the trust and belief he’d put in Bette to make a difference, to open doors, and to incite change for the greater LGBTQ community. As a transman seeing someone like Bette become mayor meant that people like him might have a better life and provide opportunities to move into higher positions. He’s aware that her opponents just need a reason to keep her down, and unfortunately Bette is her worst enemy.
Dani is still 110% behind Bette and is convinced she can still win. She’s not giving up. She’s impassioned that Bette is special, that she’s inspiring, that she can change people like she’s changed Dani. She can see that Pierce is hurt but she thinks Bette is worth the pain. It then dawns on Pierce that Dani is in Bette’s camp and he’s the odd man out. He wishes Dani luck and quits the campaign saying he needs to find his own way to change the world. Everything now rests on Dani’s shoulder.
The DMV / Jordi’s House
Angie aces the driving test, so Shane hands over her car keys and tells her she can drive them anywhere she pleases as her reward. Angie chooses to drive to Jordi’s house then proceeds to have a conversation with Shane and Quiara about knowing when you’re in love.
She is crushing hard on Jordi and she thinks it’s love but naturally she’s scared that Jordi won’t feel the same. Shane and Quiara boost her confidence with their love story of how they met in France. They tell her to go for it, and she does. She confesses her love to Jordi and is thrilled that her feelings are reciprocated. The two young lovers share their first kiss, while Shane and Quiara cheer them on. At the same time Shane decides she’s in. She wants her life with Quiara, and that includes their baby.
Alice, Nat and Gigi
Alice is at a restaurant telling her two lovers about Bette and Shane’s betrayal. They try to comfort her but there is obviously an underlying conversation going on between Nat and Gigi about trust and avoidance. Gigi proceeds to out their trouple relationship to the waitress who recognized Alice from her show. They are both mad at Gigi who appears clueless about what she’s done. Gigi refuses to go back in the ‘closet’ and wants to be out and open about their relationship, to the world and to their kids. Nat has apprehension about the whole thing.
They get home arguing and Gigi leaves in anger. Nat accuses Alice of taking Gigi’s side. They walk into the bedroom and finds cards from the kids for all three moms. Apparently, the kids know what is going on and they seem fine with it. Nat confesses she has all these feelings for Gigi, but she loves Alice and doesn’t want to hurt her. Alice thinks they are strong and doesn’t feel threatened. They start to make out then decide they should call Gigi back to join them.
Bette’s House
Tina is fixing tea for both her and Bette when they get a text that Angie passed her driving test. They both joke about their experiences teaching Angie to drive and how horrible it had been for their daughter. Tina says Angie is just like Bette, and Bette says Angie is just like Tina. Bette is glad that Angie passed because she was sure Angie would blame her if she didn’t. Bette is doubting her parenting abilities again saying she hoped she hadn’t screwed up their daughter. Tina reassures Bette that she’s a good mom, and Bette says the same about Tina.
Tina gets that look that says she’s been holding something inside that needs to come out. The thing is Bette’s ability to create space for Angie, when she’d failed to do it for Tina. They have the same old argument about Bette taking up all the space, and Tina making the sacrifices. Bette is unapologetic saying she didn’t ask Tina to do that. Tina retorts that she didn’t have to because everything was always on Bette’s timeline, and Bette’s terms. This is obviously a sensitive issue for Tina that is yet to be resolved even though they are now divorced. Bette says Tina’s assessment isn’t fair, and when Tina responds, ‘of course not because you are never wrong’ Bette’s response is ‘look around you, I am wrong all the fucking time.’
Bette starts to walk away but before she leaves Tina asks if she’s still seeing ‘that woman’. Bette tells her they broke if off the day before but admits she should have done it sooner. Tina’s snippy response gets Bette’s ire up. She tells Tina that Felicity was there for her when Kit died. Apparently, Tina wasn’t and had not attended the funeral. Her excuse being that they were freshly divorced, and it would have been hard and confusing, and she was trying to protect Bette. Bette calls it a bullshit excuse. Ultimately Tina needed her space. Bette told her she should have been there. “I thought you were my family” leaving Tina guilt-ridden.
Shane’s Bar – Dana’s
Sophie and Finley get shitfaced drunk. Tess is bartending and sneaking liquor into her water glass. Sophie is still bitching about Dani. It now appears that Sophie is either jealous or suspects there is something going on between Dani and Bette. Finley and Tess get past their awkward moments of sleeping with a friend; don’t make it weird and it won’t happen again conversation takes place.
Shane drops by the bar to tell Finley that Quiara is moving home, so Finley has a week to move out. Sophie is excited that now Finley can live with her. They have a goofy time dancing then Finley rides them home on her bike. They confess to being bros and they love each other. Finley beams when Sophie tells her that ‘she’s the best part of her day, and she loves the shit out of her’. That was the ego boost that she needed. Nothing romantic happened between them in this episode. When Dani comes home she finds Finley and Sophie cuddled up on the couch. Sophie isn’t sleeping and the minute she sees Dani she verbally attacks her with the whole why won’t you talk to me bullshit; … blah blah blah. Dani is obviously exhausted; she’s had a tough day and she just wants to be alone. Sophie is drunk and won’t except the rebuff. Dani blows up when Sophie pressures her to talk. “I DON’T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY!!”
Bette’s house – Angie and Tina
Angie and Tina are in Angie’s bedroom. The teen is giddy from getting her drivers license, telling Jordi that she loves her and having it returned and of course sharing their first kiss. Tina asks to see the license; glad she was there when it happened then gets sad about missing other milestones.
Angie asks her why she isn’t there more. They have a heart to heart that boils down to finding your way in life. Tina tells Angie that she (Angie) is experiencing it at the appropriate age (as a teenager), but Tina didn’t. She talks about meeting and falling in love with Bette but then she somehow got lost and she didn’t think she could “find herself” unless she left. Her explanation makes sense to Angie in that she needed to be whole for Angie and that was a sacrifice she had to make for both their sakes. Tina assures her daughter that despite being away she is the most important person in her world, and she makes her very happy. She tells Angie that she misses her terribly and Angie confesses the same.
Tina worries that Angie called because she wasn’t OK, but her daughter assures her, she is fine. She’s beyond fine and flashes a beautiful smile. Angie called because she thought Bette needed Tina. With the serious talk out of the way, Angie is bursting to tell Tina about kissing Jordi, but first has her pinky swear that she’ll keep it a secret, and she won’t freak out. Tina is like a kid in her reaction. She’s so excited at her daughter’s first kiss. It’s a beautiful scene between a mother and daughter that obviously share a deep love, affection and trust.
Bette’s House – late at night
Dani finally gets the word that Tyler is not suing Bette, but he wants a public apology. As only Bette would answer “tell him to go fuck himself’. Dani tells her that won’t go over well. She convinces Bette that she has two options. Either get out of the race or pivot and give the speech that only she can give.
“You have the power to change people. You changed me.” Dani’s words convince Bette of the right option. She’s staying in the race. She faces the reporters and gives an emotional speech finally admitting publicly why she is running. Kit died of a heroin overdose, but it was because months earlier she was in a car accident and was carelessly prescribed a very powerful opioid pain killer. Once being an addict made her susceptible, and she became addicted. No one at the hospital or her doctors asked the one question that could have saved her life. “Are you an addict?” Everyone failed Kit, Bette wouldn’t.
During the speech we hear Bette’s voice, but the scenes include Tina, Bette and Angie lying in bed together. Angie told Bette that she didn’t want her to quit. We see Shane and Quiara cuddled up declaring their love. We see Alice, Nat, Gigi and the kids sleeping in the same bed.
Finally, it’s time for Tina to leave. She’s at the door with her luggage. She tells Bette it was a great speech, and that she’s going to make a great mayor. Bette thanks her but doesn’t sound convinced. Her voice is raspy. It’s apparent that the emotional stress of the day has taken its toll.
Tina: If you need anything. I’m here.”
Bette: Thank you.
Tina taking a breath. “I am your family, you know.”
Bette nodding and smiling. “I know.”
Tina: I love you
Bette: I love you
Anyone that knows TiBette knows there is one thing that Tina can say to Bette that breaks down all her defenses.
Tina: “Come Here”
They hug tightly. Tina starts to pull away, but Bette holds on tighter.
Bette: Please don’t go. Please.
Katey471 says
I’m so curious for the comments on this one… lol
aloiv says
tinaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!! she’s back and omg — the feels…… then and NOW – loooveeee tibette.
dbff says
Jennifer Beals is exercising her power! This from an interview with Beals and Laurel Holloman for The Hollywood Reporter:
The divorce was a result of Holloman’s schedule. She was in Paris when Generation Q began production and the former actress and Beals — who remain fiercely protective of the iconic couple — worked with Ryan and Chaiken to come up with the storyline. “It was a gift because I do co-parent,” Holloman tells THR.
What do you hope fans old and new take away from Bette and Tina’s reunion?
Beals: I hope that it’s this delicious reunion and that they understand that these two people still love each other very much and there are all kinds of complex things that have happened, but that there is a love there and there is a respect there and that they hold on for the ride.
The ending of the episode is very ambiguous. Will viewers see more of Tina?
Beals: There must be more Tina! It’s too important of a storyline. I, as a producer, will take as much of Laurel’s free time as I possibly can to be able to tell that story, because it’s crucial.
Holloman: It is. It’s an interesting story. I’m a bit of a hopeless romantic, so I hope they find a way to be together. But everything has to be earned. We have to find out a little bit more about who Tina is and what she’s been doing and what’s going on.
Zhenya says
I must say i like Laurel answer – “Holloman: It is. It’s an interesting story. I’m a bit of a hopeless romantic, so I hope they find a way to be together. But everything has to be earned. We have to find out a little bit more about who Tina is and what she’s been doing and what’s going on.”
So, i’m still have my hope for Tibette
Jacky says
Oh that is VERY encouraging!!!
kiwipit says
It is indeed! I still can’t wipe that smile off my face that I wear since Bette opend the door yesterday to look in the eyes of Tina. :-)
Zhenya says
I almost cried in the last scene after Bette words – “Please don’t go”. I think Tina is still not on the same page with Bette on this, but i still have my hope for their reuniting.
At least i can say for now my hopes on Tibette is bigger than at the beginning of this show.
DumplinT says
I think Bette does “need” Tina bc Tina knows her in a way no other person does. Even Angie realized that with all the stuff blowing up in MammaB’s life, Tina would know how to help her see the big picture with a perspective that has less emotional backlash.
For example: Bette would you like to tell me what happened? And Tina listens without judgement.
No judgement even when she heard that the antagonist had pushed Angie to the ground.
Tina then maintains her cool and asked Bette if the man was threatening to press charges. Once again she just let Bette speak and express her frailty/vulnerability in the matter.
Angie misses Tina and she expressed this longing to Tina. I like that Tina is feeling sorrow in missing out on the sweet relationship she has with her daughter.
I like that Bette expressed her feelings of missing Tina at the end of episode 6 by asking/begging Tina to stay. She needs the calmness of soul, the everything is gonna be alright that Tina easily releases in her communication.
Bottom line, these two still love each other and who knows? may still be willing to do the hard work of taking the most challenging steps of their lives to be together, under one roof as a couple once again.
Would be monumental if the Writers could pull it off!!! I say go for it ???????? Tibette 4Evahh!!!
Seahurst says
After the disappointment of episode 5, I wasn’t going to watch episode 6, but once again, I blame Ally. ;-) And, I’m glad I did. I actually liked this episode…not so much because of Laurel Holloman. The writers have been jerking our emotional chain on B&T now for over six seasons and I for one don’t give a rip anymore whether they are together or not. If they had not cried wolf so many times I might still care, but I’m unwilling to spend any more emotional currency trying to care where they are going to end up…because clearly where they end up is not where they end up!!! Merry go round anyone?!
No, my favorite part of this episode was without a doubt Shane and Quiara in the car with Angie and then after Angie got out of the car. Is it just me, or did Kate M look especially beautiful in this scene? Maybe it was because Shane was smiling more than usual, but wow, did she look gorgeous!! And Quiara…I love this character!! She’s perfect for Shane.
How can you not love first love?! I’m really enjoying Angie this season, both the first love scene as well as her confiding in Tina…that was sweet.
As Ally says, “Jennifer is still a beautiful player of anguish, she does it well.” Amen to that!!
Dani and Sophie…how did they get to a point of thinking they are ready for MARRIAGE?! This reminds me so much of how they started TLW way back when, only then it was B&T who were supposedly just “checking in,” to make sure they were ready for a child. Now it’s Dani and Sophie thinking they are ready for marriage. As I said before, merry go round anyone?!
Collins says
WOW!!!!! Still processing the surprise from episode 6 with the appearance of Tina!!!! Woohoo!!!!!
Sorry Seahurst, but I’m a romantic like Laurel & want them to get back together. They’ll make it happen just like in the first run of the show.
My heart beats with such joy!!!!!!
allyemmerson says
Oh i dont know – i wish i did…on the one hand – but on the other…
i have been BLERK about them together – i was a massive tibette fanatic but they suffered too much under IC leadership and i just want them to be happy and as much as i adore JB giving us the full range of anguish i like her happy the most cos you get that smile and that laugh..
Angie is the star of the show for me – love her charm that she has inherited from both her moms and the level of teenage stroppiness – again inherited from both her moms..
what the hell fire is Alice playing at ?
shane and her stunning wife – yes – more of them
Dani either annoys me or charms me
i can say that going into the next episode – i am undecided
but i want a season 2 and i want HELENA
Gumby says
Hey everyone and happy Monday! I watched it after I read a spoiler so I was prepared for the return of Tina.
Here is what I liked about it – I saw Tina drawing some healthy boundaries in saying she needed time away and being honest about that to the point of not going to Kit’s funeral. I saw her owning her absence in discussions with Angie and that scene was touching to me. I do agree Ally that Angie is a great part of this show which is fun to see.
I liked that Bette also seemed honest in that she’s not apologizing for always knowing what she wants and going for that. It’s an honest admission from her and I applaud that.
I like that they seem to be able to co-parent which is not an easy thing for sure. Does all this mean they should dive back in and try again? That could potentially be the actual definition of insanity. But I am a TiBette fan and so I’d love to see that chemistry again. But it can’t be without work and unless Laurel will be around in season 2 (if there is one) they don’t have the time to do it justice. Anything less than hard work and real dialog will be a disappointment.
I agree with the amazing legend of Seahurst…missed you Sea….that Dani and Sophie are a train wreck (my own words). They are not ready for marriage at all. I wouldn’t even be able to watch them walk down any aisle whether it be a backyard or the fancy hotel. Dani reminds me of a young Bette for sure and stares at Bette with this look in her eyes….so like the woman that she admires. And sometimes I see the Porter smirk, which always spells trouble, so I’m not sure whether we are being set up for a Bette slip up since Dani seems to be showing her plenty of attention. Is it just me reading into this? If that’s the case, skip TiBette because I don’t want to go through that again for it to be the same old story.
Alice and Finley….these storylines are just insane. Alice seems to just be oblivious to the tension going on around her. It certainly is not going to end well. And Finley…grow up. Stop drinking every single day and then wondering if you’re damaged when you’re essentially homeless now, insulted a religious person about their faith that you claim to love and then topple off the wagon with someone. Destruction everywhere around her and that needs to be addressed.
I’m liking Shane this time around. Her interactions with her wife and actually making informed decisions shows me the growth I’ve been dying to see in someone on this show. Her smile certainly is contagious and I’m liking her more than I did the first time around. I usually only wrote her in fanfic as a side character used for wisdom and humor but this season she’s got some chops and I like that storyline.
I’m anxiously wondering what will happen with Bette and Tina as well as Bette and Dani. Dani should not get married regardless of what happens with Bette, if I am the only one seeing that. But I can’t even dive into Dani and Sophie since it’s just such a wreck and I only have 4 more hours of work. LOL. I’ll watch next week hoping for some clarity.
proteonomics says
Your wish is granted they approved today season 2 for TLWGQ
dbff says
Jennifer Beals is a real softie. I think she is the best hope for a good Tibette ending. But as the other comments above, I don’t believe that Gen Q will do these characters justice, even if Laurel found the time to return full time. It will be another rollercoaster. Fans will just have to endure.
More fun info for Tibetters from The Hollywood Reporter interview.:
Although Tina’s presence looms in Generation Q — Bette has been shown having calls with her ex — Sunday’s episode was the first time Holloman appeared onscreen during the new show. “I am constantly imagining her,” Beals says of scenes in which Tina has been involved but never seen or heard. “She’s in my DNA.”
What was it like filming this episode?
Holloman: […] There is something about the character that is so in both of our DNA that there is always some truthful moment going on.
Beals: It was this odd feeling as if no time had passed and as if we were dreaming.
What was it like on set when you both reunited?
Beals: It felt giddy because all of us were together […]
Holloman: It felt surreal and deja-vu-y. At one point, Alice walked out and I felt like we had just done a scene like that like it were yesterday.
Beals: The table read for this episode was like no table read I have ever been at. People could not stop crying. There is the scene with Angie and Tina, and Leisha and I were sitting next to each other and we were crying so hard. I ran out of Kleenex and had to use her hoodie. Everybody was just a mess because it was so emotional to have Tina back. It was like, OK, we are finally family now. The family is together now.
Holloman: I couldn’t look over at them because I could see them crying out of the corner of my right eye. I was trying to stay focused on Jordan. I thought I was going to start crying, too.
Seahurst says
Awwww, thanks for posting this.
Therese_Belivet says
Yes, Jennifer Beals is a softie, as you say – and so am I !
And I’m such an incurable romantic and a forever Tibette fan that only your post and this interview give me hope enough to watch this new show.
So, thank you a LOT for this gift, my dear dbff :-)
Now, if I see my beloved two reunited with love, I’ll be crying – the way Laurel and the others had, no doubt about that…
I remember having cried rivers during the famous kiss at SheBar !
Well, what can I say ? Incurable romantic, incurable Tibetter, incurably emotional – that’s me.
mightymouse says
Thank you for posting this, dbff! :D I’ll find that article and read it over and over to my heart’s content. TiBette forever! :D
DumplinT says
My summation of episode 6:
Bunches of stuff I liked about this epi.!! How much time we got? ????
1. Lovin’ Shane more & more. We 1st see her arriving in her private jet, then banging the stewardess in the next scene….totally “old” Shane.
Flash to epi 6 and she has volunteered to help Bette by taking Angie to get her drivers’ license. Love the laid-back cool reward Shane offers to celebrate Angie’s success by letting her drive the Jeep “anywhere” she wanted. With Quiara along for the adventure, love when they end up at Jordi’s house and Angie is asking “how do you know you’re in love” from this married couple she knows has experienced what a crush? First love? Is like.
Shane tries to articulate what it’s like and is mature enough to ask Quiara to help explain. Together they explain and build Angie up enough to send her off to go knock on the door to “confess her love” NO MATTER the response Jordi may give.
While Angie is stumbling to speak, the camera switches back to the Jeep where Shane & Q in the back seat nervously watching hoping for a positive response from Jordi. Love how Q takes that anxious, quiet moment to keep sharing her gentle heart with Shane and Shane consents her willingness to parent 2gether their expectant child. Shane had been totally fearing the role as a mother, but she has a lot of good mothering traits like directness, non-judgemental, encouraging, laughs easily.
So, needless-to-say, I’m Love the possibilities of Shane&Quiara. They fit.
2. Meanwhile, really enjoyed the teenage excitement of Angie & Jordi as they confirmed the”love” with a first kiss.
Loved seeing Angie battle total fear vs boldness to step out (that’s from Bette’s influence).
And later, her giggles and hands on her face embarrassment as she shares with Tina what happened on her special day. Tina reflected the same zeal and expressions as Angie!!
3. Was so touched to see Tina reveal how much she appreciated that Angie had received the wallet she sent as a gift AND was actually using it ( tickled me that Ang just waved the comment off and kept right on talking 90 miles a minute ????!!). Angie was like, duhhh Mom of course I’m using it ????????
Liked that Tina opened up about how she struggled as a teenager to discover her gifts/talents and she found herself well in to adulthood before understanding arrived. She need distance from MamaB’s strong personality in order to discover and nurture her confidence.
I wonder how much Laurel’s relationship with own teenage daughter help to craft this realistically sweet scene.
Anyway, the door is certainly open for the Writers to use the longing in Tina’s heart to be more physically present with Angie to write some really touching moments about motherhood and the priority of being present while she can. Especially since Angie’s high school years will soon be over and she’ll be out-of-the-house off to college (most likely to where ever Bette went right??? HeHeHe!)
4. Tibette!!! There has to be a way to write the next chapter of their saga which I hope brings them back together in a fresh enduring way.
So far, friendship & respect remain, and with both of them direct in speaking their truths and owning up to their shortcomings, they seem to be doing a much more honest job of confronting pain that is still being resolved without the self-righteous screed from Bette or cramming emotions in and giving the “silent treatment” from Tina.
I liked learning “why” Bette’s personality is so driven. She explained to Tina that because she has always known who she wanted to be, so didn’t see any problems with aggressively pursuing dreams/goals, her destiny.
Gosh! Do I know people like that! With unbound zeal (why not give it their all??), they run over anybody in their path who can not, will not, keep pace! They rarely understand why so many “make a fuss” about how they relate.
Bette actually has a very caring heart but I wonder if she sees that attribute as a “weakness”. Also wonder if the compassion vibe that leaks out sometimes when she is dealing with adults is, is misconstrued as sexual tension electrifying the air, is why she has been in illicit affair/one-night-stand after another.
Scenes from episode 7 suggest that Tina will stay a bit longer, so I’m silly ????/goofy ???? excited for this upcoming week!! For me, I don’t care that she’s only in 2 episodes, Tina has made all the difference in this season of GenQ. Now I can finally breath without the anxiety of the demise of Tibette and focus on enjoying the other developing relationships.
Collins says
So, does anyone have any speculation on what Tina wants to talk to Bette about at dinner?
Any spoiler info out there???
Would seem from the recent interviews Laurel & Jennifer that they will find some way to include Tina in the show moving forward.
DumplinT says
Let’s see:
1. Bette asked Tina to please stay. And in the teaser for upcoming episode 7 it looks like Tina&Bette are out in public apparently with at least one other (Angie????), then
2. Tina asks for a private dinner with Bette so it obviously must mean Tina wants to discuss:
???????????????????? the price of tea in China!!!
I mean sistah-gurL I am stumped on this one!!!!
Collins says
Possibilities –
Tina realizes that she misses Angie & what is happening in her life & wants to play a more active role in her life.
When Tina & Bette are at the dining room table, Tina gets the phone call from her supposed currernt partner. The convo that we heard wasn’t very affectionate. Seems that Tina didn’t tell whoever this person is the real reason she came to LA – for Bette. Could be that Tina didn’t want a confrontation withthis person
Maybe Tina realizes that she still has these feelings for Bette & wants to explore a different type of relationship with her. Think that embrace at theend of episode 6 was very telling. Those feelings are still there for both of them. The embrace reminded me of their embrace they had after the sleigh ride with Angie when they were in Canada for Shane’s aborted marriage to Carmen. They still love each other – have to find a way to make it work.
Tina feels guilty about not being there for Bette with Kit’s tragedy & wants to prove she us her family. Loved how Tina referred to Felicity as ‘that woman’. Some jealousy going on there!!!!!
Thoughts??????
DumplinT says
So agree with you about Tina’s irritation w/ being tracked down on the phone by her girlfriend ( ??). She lied to her and said “no, I haven’t seen her” then proceeded to tell her that it wasn’t a good time, and I’ll call you back later.
Said all that to say this: I think Tina s in a relationship where she is drawn to a strong personality but wonder if that person is “sucking all of the air out of the room JUST LIKE BETTE DID!!!!
We know from here convo w/Bette earlier that “that” was a character trait that ended causing her to flee. When revealed that truth Bette was able to calmly explain that she teds to full speed ahead without hesitation bc she knows who she is and where she’s going. The down side of being “driven” is that anybody in the path who isn’t buying into her dreams & plans just get’s run over.
I chuckled when Tina referred to Felicity as “that woman”! Y’all know full well Tina has probably done FBI research on ‘ol Fel and even knows her shoe size!! HeHeHe!!!
Think Tina is dealing w/some regret concerning. She sees that Bette is now ABLE to make provision to share the space in a room bc she is doing it w/Angie.
Tina is figuring, well if I’m gonna take my pick of a strong, aggressive woman, I rather take my chances with the one that is still family, that still I love and miss more than I realize.
I felt like the apparent “I’ve missed you” hug from Bette followed by verbal confirmation whispered into Tina’s ear of “please don’t go. Please.” may have taken Tina by surprise.
But I think (hope) in episode 7 that Tina is wanting to be closer to Bette again. We certainly know that she’s wants to be more hands on with Angie
Collins says
In this revision, the chemistry is still undeniable between them!!!!!
If you read the interviews that both Jen & Laurel have done, they both state that they would like the characters to eventually get back together. Laurel says that they have to earn it & Jen states that she knows how she,wants the relation to end up.
Both Jen & Laurel stated that there would be more Tina in the future.
Someone mentioned about the ring on Tina’s finger – it’s on her right hand & not her left hand. She hasn’t remarried, just in a relationship. She probably seems to be rethinking that relationship now.
So looking forward to episode 7!!!!! Bring it on!!!!!!!
dbff says
About Tina’s ring, I have seen clips on the internet with mirror images of each other … don’t know why. But Tina wears her ring on the same arm that she wears her watch. That ring is too plain to be anything else but a wedding band. So, if it is not a wedding band, does Laurel wear watches on the right arm? I can’t believe that we are looking at rings to find out what happened to Tina.
Collins says
Actually Tina wears a watch on her right hand – just like Bette does
They both wore the watches on their right hands in the first series also
Don’t think Tina is going to tell Bette She’s getting married. That won’t for in with her autonomy desire.
meloveslu says
I’ve been hopeful for this reunion and was happy that Laurel decided to come back, even if for a little while. And while I have been enjoying this show for what it is, of course it has its issues.
The main problems I have with this show is the weird timing of scenes and how it doesn’t seem to really makes sense in terms of timeline and logistics. It’s hard to determine what day it is. Anyone have any ideas what day this episode was supposed to take place? Did Angie go to school before her driving test? Is that where Uncle Shane picked her up from or did she pick her up from Jordi’s? And if she did pick her up from Jordi’s, why would she ask if it was her house when they pulled up before Angie’s big moment? Were Alice, Gigi, and Nat having lunch or breakfast? And why did they finally come back to the house after dark? I mean, I know LA traffic is terrible, but for fuck’s sake, the continuity sacrifices are really annoying. Speaking of Alice, did she wait for an Uber with all the reporters since she came in with Shane in Shane’s jeep?
Last episode, the bar must have already closed down and all the patrons gone when Finley and Tess hooked up, yet, Bette and Angie were barely leaving the school after the play when Felicity’s husband took a spill down the school steps. What bar closes before, what, 9:30 pm?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m still having fun watching. I love the OG characters and the new kids are fine (though I think Adrienne Mandi is a bit of an over-actor). Ensemble shows are difficult to pull off with so few episodes. And though they are getting a second season, even 10 episodes is hardly enough time to really develop the characters evenly so that we can bond with them in a meaningful way. I truly hope for a TiBette endgame, but it will be an uphill battle to make the story work with the limited time Laurel has to give. See ya’ll next week!
BAT2012 says
meloveslu,
I’m with you on the inconsistencies and timelines. You totally don’t know how much time has passed between episode 1 & 6. I read in one of the Laurel/Jennifer interviews that the writers scrambled to find the storyline that would explain Tina not physically appearing on the show while she was in Paris doing an art show and that’s why they made them a divorced couple/co-parenting..
Considering they were going to bring Tina back in episode 6 they could have easily had her away filming for a month or 6 weeks and that wouldn’t have been a big deal. I’m sure Jennifer and all the other full-time actors on the show are away from their real families for weeks or months at a time.
I got the impression that episode 6 took place on a Saturday, Everyone seemed to have the day off. Don’t know if DMVs are open on weekends but that’s plausible.
The other weird scenario is Jordi and Angie. In the first episode Jordi comes to pick up Angie at school in her BMW or whatever to cut school. Did Jordi go to the same school? I got the impression she was older than Angie, but whatever the school situation Bette and Tina talked in episode 1 about Angie being in this play and how it might be too much workload for her to handle.
Then Angie gets thrown out of school, but on the day of the play Jordi and Angie are being dropped off at school by Bette. Isn’t Angie now in public school? Did she talk her mother into putting her in public school to be with Jordi? .
Then you have Angie throwing a tantrum and threatening to go live with Mama T. It wasn’t in the show but I read somewhere that Tina is living and/or filming in Vancouver plus with Tina’s explanation she currently does not have ‘space’ for Angie to live with her full-time.
The biggest unexplained timeline is Bette and Tina at the end of S6 in the original. They were set to move to New York for Tina’s job. Did they stay in Los Angeles and sell the West Hollywood house and move to SilverLake and then two years ago got a divorce? Tina seemed to know her way around Bette’s house and she recognized new artwork so that would imply she lived there before. Maybe?
The whole Felicity thing about her helping when Kit died has me baffled. Was she and Bette in a relationship when Kit died, or did they get together after Kit died? Did Bette expect Tina to attend the funeral with her married lover by her side? or did Felicity not attend the funeral which is why Bette wanted Tina there.
Bottom line if you are paying attention there is no continuity, and the dialogue rarely matches the story line. I get most of the insights from social media and reading or watching interviews with the actors. They invariably say things in interviews that is not always evident in the show so you have to fill in the gaps using multiple sources or your imagination as we FANFIC writers are prone to do. With so many different writers on the show it does not appear that they collaborate well enough to keep the stories and the characters straight or even in character.
One good thing that has come from GenQ is the spark in conversation on this site. That was always one of my favorite things in the good old days :-)
Zhenya says
I maybe understand why Felicity and not Tina helped Bette after Kit’s death. They just divorced, Tina maybe wanted, but Bette’s wound after break up were still fresh and she just don’t wanted Tina here. I get it.
But Tina even not attended Kit’s funeral? It’s just bullshit. Tina was with Bette when Melvin died. Melvin, who always hated her almost until the his end. But she just not be there for Kit, who always loved her, because it would be awkward? Don’t buy this storyline
DumplinT says
Exactly!. Kit & Tina definitely had a close relationship at least in the original series they did. Nothing should have kept he from showing last respect to Kit.
When Bette called her out on her excuse and said that she (Tina) should have been ther bc she thought Tina was “family”, Tina face immediately showed the regret of having missed her chance.
Of all the events that occurred during the time when the viewers weren’t privy to, this is the one that I can’t figure out why the Writers/Producers/actresses let slide as being remotely acceptable. What are we missing here????
Zhenya says
I think sometimes just fans know characters better, than any writers
DumplinT says
We’ve just really scrutinized every scene and know what flows. We’re just “in to” the characters and especially “in to” what concerns Tibette and their family!!!
We have a prob with anybody who comes in btwn them!
mightymouse says
I don’t watch GenQ and while I’m pleasantly surprised and overjoyed by Laurel’s guesting in the recent episode, I still don’t know if I’ll watch the show. But I totally agree with you, BAT2012, on this:
“One good thing that has come from GenQ is the spark in conversation on this site. That was always one of my favorite things in the good old days :-)”
I miss that old message board too and some of the insightful, very witty fans who used to post comments there. :>
dbff says
TLW was the first show I ever watched where technical problems caught my attention to the point of bothering me. Since I had never had that experience, it took me a while to put my finger on the issues, from sound (muffled/low volume words or phrases) to continuity issues in highly important scenes like the Stendhal syndrome and Tibette’s S2 kiss in front of the fridge, to poor editing, particularly in the last episodes of the seasons. It made me wonder if their budget was really low, or if they hired their friends and not the best professionals, trying to make an all-female/lesbian show. Maybe both. I still haven’t seen anything like it since.
BAT2012 says
dbff speaking of continuity. It’s funny because in several of the pictures that are posted on Twitter of Laurel’s reunion with the cast her hair is blonde, but in episode 6 her hair is red. Previews of episode 7 show it blonde again. I think she switches back and worth in real-life but it would be interesting to see if it’s even mentioned on episode 7. I’m actually looking forward to it so see where they pick up, based on where episode 6 ended. .
kiwipit says
Yes, I noticed the difference in hair colour as well. Maybe there was a time difference between the picutres of the cast reunion and the shooting of the Tina-comes-back scenes. They could have decided that it would show the changes in Tina if she’d be a red head. So Laurel switched colour. Or it’s a wig ;-) But I’m not so sure if in the preview for e7 it’s just the lightning. I think Tina is still a red head.
I think it’s funny that Tina changed clothes while being with Bette. Arriving from Toronto to sunny L.A. (and we don’t know the actual month the scene is playing, maybe it’s cold on the east coast) she wore this warm green sweater. Noticed how Tina took the theatre program and fanned herself for cool air? Great detail. Maybe she changed into the lighter, see through blue shirt to be more comfortable. Unfortunately she changed out of those hot leather pants as well.
Collins says
Thought her clothes were good. Bette’s outfit was ok.
Anyone notice that right before Bette gives her speech she touches the ring she wears around her neck – her wedding ring? It’s symbolism gives her strength- that connection with Tina.
Thought when Tina fanned herself with the play program that she was having a hot flash!!!!! Just like Bette has had.
Zhenya says
I think it’s Kit’s ring
Collins says
Think in episode 3 or 4, it shows her witth 2 rings around her neck on a chain
Zhenya says
Hmm, maybe than i just didn’t notice it. I remember only one ring on her neck
Seahurst says
I agree with many of these comments that they are really having trouble with continuity. Can someone tell me where Tina lives in this new show? I ask because she made the comment about helping Angie learn to drive, which would mean she must be close by. If she lived in New York, there’s really no place for her to teach Angie that would be safe, and if she lives in Vancouver, that would mean that Angie must fly up to spend time with her on a regular basis. And, is Angie allowed to drive in Canada with just a learner’s permit? Just wondering.
I will say, however, that when I write a story, long or short, it normally has to do with a storyline that has totally ticked me off, not necessarily continuity.
Zhenya says
From interview Laurel to advocate.com:
“Something Tina’s return episode offers that Generation Q has thus far only hinted at is an answer as to why Tina took a TV producing job that keeps her in Toronto for a chunk of the year, away from her daughter.”
BAT2012 says
Seahurst, the driving lessons comment didn’t make sense for Tina given Angie doesn’t live with her but maybe she visited Los Angeles and they spent time together. Also if you noticed, Tina had a huge roller bag and other luggage for just staying a few days. If she lived in LA she wouldn’t even need to pack more than a carry-on.
Lastly, if she is in a serious relationship her partner likely lives in the same town. Didn’t get that impression from the phone call. Also Bette’s deal made the news. Angie would not have needed to call her because she would likely have heard. I think she lives or works possibily in Canada or maybe New York. Who knows.
Definitely agree with you on the storylines. I’m anxious to read or write one where Tina totally shows up for Kit’s funeral. Being divorced from Bette would not have kept her away.
She went to Dana’s funeral when she was with Henry, and she was at Bette’s side for Melvin even though she was still with Helena. As Bette said on the episode “that’s a bullsh*t excuse.” She would have been there.
Katey471 says
No way Tina would miss Kit’s funeral. *folds arms shakes head stomps foot. Nope,
Seahurst says
I agree!!! Tina, the caretaker of the group, the one who was always thinking about other people, would not have missed wanting to show Kit the love and respect that she had for her while she was alive by coming and saying her final good-byes. Kit was part of Tina’s family, there is no way she would have missed her funeral, no fucking way! If for no other reason, she would have been there to support her daughter who would have been in a world of pain because her aunt, who had been such a big part of her life, had died!! Tina would have been there no matter her personal pain!!
dbff says
And it was a completely unnecessary line! Tina could have come for a day or so and then left, due to work commitments. And Bette could still complain that Tina was not around to help her heal. These writers don’t have a lot of imagination. They continue to be biased, just as in TLW, trying to find excuses in Tina’s behavior for why Bette behaves badly (with Felicity). The fans know the character better than they do.
Same thing with the divorce and marrying someone else. If Tina needed her space for whatever reason … if she needed to find herself … is it likely that she would already be married with someone else (she’s wearing a wedding band)? I don’t think so … And will she be with a man again? *Eyeroll*
Bibi28 says
I agree with you! If Tina needed space to find herself out, why start a new relationship?
I also wondered about the ring on her finger?!
And Tina is with a woman, not a man. That was mentioned in interviews and Bat2012 summary.
dbff says
Here are the Gen Q ratings and probably why they got renewed this week. It makes me wonder who had the bright idea of hiding Tina from the fans. Well, Marja Lewis-Ryan wanted people screaming at the TV, but the ratings took a dive that only recovered when Tina appeared! Will they learn what the fans really want? They film the show way ahead of showing, so I don’t see why she can’t appear in several episodes of S2, even if only with limited scenes.
Episode 18-49 % change Viewers % mil change
demo (mil)
Sun 12/8/2019 01-01 0.05 0.241
Sun 12/15/2019 01-02 0.05 0.00% 0.236 -2.07%
Sun 12/22/2019 01-03 0.05 0.00% 0.248 5.08%
Sun 12/29/2019 01-04 0.04 -20.00% 0.226 -8.87%
Sun 1/5/2020 01-05 0.03 -25.00% 0.171 -24.34%
Sun 1/12/2020 01-06 0.05 66.67% 0.207 21.05%
dbff says
I tried my best for the table to appear correctly.
The top line is:
Episode, 18-49 demo, % demo change, Viewers (mil), % mil change
First line is:
Sun 12/8/2019 01-01, 0.05, (blank) , 0.241, (blank)
Katey471 says
Just rewatched and throwing this out there. Nats monotone delivery about everything is cracking me up!
Katey471 says
Ratings: It’s usually available for streaming by the time I get home on Sat night so they are probably looking at people who stream early, too.
Jacky says
My brother in law works for Nielsen. They do really detailed variations of ratings these days including things like +7 days and streaming. Those numbers we saw would depend on when/what was measured. It may or may not have been complete.
Katey471 says
On Tina. That story is weak. How do you lose yourself in a relationship and jump to another relationship? One where you don’t love the person as much as you love Bette. She’s been down this road already, time to turn the page. She’s getting too old for this crap. lol (that was not an ageism smart remark, but she’s already found herself with a movie career, motherhood, etc etc…) what the hell else does she want to do by herself?
BAT2012 says
Katey471, I’m so with you on that. Tina was totally whole by the end of season 6, even more so than Bette. If you had to write a divorce scenario how would you do it?
Katey471 says
I’m so glad we can talk about these characters again and how silly they are. I need this in my life. :P
Jacky says
I’m enjoying it, too!
BAT2012 says
Hindsight being 2020, I hope the GenQ writers are smacking their heads for saying Tina left Bette because she fell in love with someone else. They said the reason they divorced the characters was because of Laurel’s limited ability to appear because of her art career. Given that scenario they wanted to explore divorced parents co-parenting which is fine with me. I think Tina has an amazing relationship with Angie even though circumstances keep them separated. I also disagree that Tina would leave her daughter just to ‘find’ herself. she found herself at the end of season 6 of the original. She was the one with the career and Bette had agreed to move to NYC and to be the primary stay at home mom. I’m going to believe the whole Felicity affair started over Kit’s death because Tina didn’t show up never happened.
Picking up that thread, this is how I would have written it if I had to divorce them.
1- Tina moves to NYC because of immediate job demands at the studio. Bette stays back with Angie to clean up the Jenny death situation, put the house on the market and prepare to sell. Finish things up with Kelly at the gallery etc. The idea is that Bette and Angie will join Tina in NYC full-time within a few months.
2- The family settles in NYC for a couple years. The continue to pursue adopting a baby but it doesn’t work out, so they give that up for a while and concentrate on Angie.
3- It’s been a few years now and Bette has put her career on the back burner but being in NYC has re-sparked her interest in politics. Angie is now in school full-time, Tina’s career is thriving and Bette gets bored. She needs a project, so she gets with her old friend Julia and maybe the senator who is now a great friend and she slowly starts getting pulled in.
4- Tina starts to notice that Bette is no longer as committed to taking a back seat as she promised. She’s no longer home when Angie gets back from school so they hire a nanny. She’s spending more time in Washington DC which sometimes conflicts with Tina’s schedule so they are not seeing each other as much
5- They start arguing more, they start drifting apart, Bette downplays Tina’s career of making movies to be less than her passion for real world issues etc.
6- Bette travels back and forth to Los Angeles to see Kit and the gang. Julia keeps pushing her to come back. She maybe gets an offer for the job (whatever it is that she was doing before running for mayor) and she sees this as a great opportunity to make a difference. In her mind since Tina is in the movie business moving back to Los Angeles should be a no-brainer and she’s sure Tina will follow her but instead she gets resistance. They have a huge argument about Bette breaking promises, not being there for her or Angie etc. but being Bette she is head-strong and continues to push her own agenda.
7- Tina is determined not to get into that space again. She will need to make some sacrifices but she has to choose herself first for a change. At the same time Kit has her car accident and Bette flies out to Los Angeles for a few weeks. Angie is on summer vacation so she goes with Bette, while Tina is on a project in Vancouver. Over the course of the next couple of months Bette sees Kit sinking from addiction, she has Julia in one ear and the senator in the other ear pushing her further into the political fight.
8- Kit dies a few months later from the heroin overdose. Her and Tina are in a bad place so she makes a unilateral decision to move back to California take the job and run for mayor. Tina is adamant that Angie is not going to be raised by baby-sitters and since her job involves more extended time away they agree Angie will live with Bette. She’s about to enter high-school so it wouldn’t be too disruptive plus they put her in one of the best private schools in Los Angeles etc.
That’s where we pick up in season 1 GenQ.
Seahurst says
I like it…now write it!! :-)
kiwipit says
Thanks for the improved script respectively background story for T + B.
The writers should have talked to someone who knows the characters i. e. the fans/fanfic writers. ;-)
Oh I just love these discussions!
dbff says
As usual, we need to read interviews to know what is going on with the characters, since the writers won’t tell us in the episodes. Read the Advocate interview with Laurel Holloman. (The site is trashing my attempts to post excerpts) It still does not explain the move to LA. I guess Laurel will have to tell us one day!
Collins says
Would love for you to write this version.
But, please leave the senator out – she was sleazy & went after Bette well knowing that Bette was in a committed relationship. Just didn’t & won’t trust her in any story.
Just my opinion.
Thanks
BAT2012 says
Collins
I may write the story some day, but no matter what scenario we write, Bette is always going to have someone lusting after her. I actually liked the senator, and it would make sense if she’s the one pushing Bette into politics but not as a love interest. She was good for Bette’s ego and certainly better than all the other sleezy women Bette hooked up with including Jodi. Now her I couldn’t stand.
Collins says
Your point makes sense.
I guess my point is that I just don’t like the actress that played the senator character – Dana Delaney. I won’t watch anything that she’s in as an actress. My bad
Jodi – Marlee is a terrific actress, but definitely missed cast as a love interest for Bette. Always wanted to point the blow torch in her direction. I understand that Jen wanted her friend in the show, but the storyline was terrible & besides art, they had nothing in common. Besides with both of them being alphas, it was never going to work.
Thanks for the insight.
allyemmerson says
Ms Seahurst has a lot to say for someone who was not going to watch the episode…..
allyemmerson says
okay – what i thought of the episode after several re-watches and much thought
* why does this show have a obsession with threesomes ? this is not going to end well for Alice
* Gee Shane’s wife is smoking hot
* If anyone is going to cheat in the Dani relationship – its not going to be her –
*i could not love Angie more than i do = from her blue hair streaks to the Porter smile – amazing castng
* Jennifer is the queen of that pain behind the smile look
* Of course Tina would be at Kit’s funeral
back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and the original show was on – it was the ” aggghhh that was wrong” that drove the writers on here. you watched a episode – it drove you NUTS and you hit the keyboard to put it right. Helena went from super bitch who everyone hated to everyones friend and she vanished for a few weeks
every character had massive 180 degree personality swings and i can see this happening again.
i will say that at least the majority of the actors on the show can act unlike the first version of the show….
and yes — despite my much voiced doubt about Laurel coming back i did smile when i saw her and this is making me ask all kinds of questions that i dont have time for – i am writing other things . maybe like LH i will do guess appearances ( and drag ms seahurst along kicking and screaming )
dbff says
Hi Jacky,
What are the rules of this site and why are comments trashed? There are 147 of them. I don’t understand why we can’t post sometimes.
Katey471 says
@BAT2012 I wouldn’t have written a divorce for them. So far everyone seems to have an ex wife on the show. Bette/Tina, Nat/Gigi, Sort of almost Shane… I know divorce is an ugly truth to marriage in some of the time, but we just got the right to marry not that long ago, I would have hoped they could hold on a little longer. So drastic and melodramatic.
BAT2012 says
Katey471
I wouldn’t divorce them either, except that I read an interview where it was decided that their storyline would be focused on co-parenting divorced Moms. However, they could have done that with Nat and Gigi instead of putting them in a threesome with Alice. They could take Alice out of that couple and tell a great story for co-parenting. Once again they went for the trashy sex, instead of substance.
Hopefully they learned some lessons from the first season that could be instrumental in a successful second season and beyond.
Katey471 says
Agreed!
BAT2012 says
We probably won’t see it this season with one episode left where Tina appears but I’m curious what kind of friendship she’s maintained with Alice and Shane. She texted and sent flowers for Shane’s birthday so obviously still cares about her. It seems Bette and Shane are closer than Shane and Alice or Alice and Bette. I don’t recall Bette having any scenes alone with Alice, except the interview on the show. Shane was at the house when Tina arrived but they choose not to show it. Also never got the impression that Tina was introduced to Dani and they never touched on whether Bette should stay in the race. Tina was there as family, with no agenda, except to make sure Bette and Angie were okay, and the incident wasn’t going to escalate into a legal battle that Angie might be dragged into. Definitely still the caretaker, even as she’s trying to assert her Independence. I hope she finds balance.
Collins says
Would think that Tina’s relationship with Shane is good. Although Shane did make the comment to Bette about Tina when they were in Shane’s kitchen before they leave for the party at the bar – Bette says Tina always had good taste &`Shane replies – not always. That could mean a multitude of things.
I agree that Tina is also reevaluating her decision to be farther away from Angie & Bette & now wants to become closer to them. This will open the door to season 2 interactions & exploring their relationship.
It’s not going to be a quick fix – They’ll have to earn it.
Frankly, glad to see that there is more focus on Tina & her character. We certainly didn’t get that in the original series. That was a huge mistake by Ilene., not to develop Tina’s character more.
Yes, also thought it was very tender & caring that even though Tina still harbors some resentment towards Bette for not giving her space, she still provides that calmness for Bette – that everything will be alright. Think Bette has seriously missed that in her life now.
Continue hoping!!!!!!!
Collins says
Are we commenting on episode 7 yet or waiting for the reveal tonight on Showtime?
I watched it on demand this morning.
BAT2012 says
Collins, I’ve watched it too but I think Jacky will put up a new link for episode 7.
I’m going to work on the recap.
dbff says
The song in the last scene seems nice. Bitter, by Fletcher, featuring Kito.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cu8DMXYOMs